SPEAKER_01: 0:03

Welcome to Hormone Heroes, where I share testimonials from real people who have experienced bioidentical hormone therapy. Men and women share the symptoms they have experienced and the difference proper hormone replacement has made. I'm your host, Dr. Kelly Hopkins, and I have been in the functional medicine space for over 30 years, with a focus on hormones for 20 years. Please keep in mind this podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Please consult with your physician or practitioner for medical advice. Let's get started with today's guest. Hello and welcome to the podcast. Today I am very excited. I have Dr. Paul Baritero. He is the founder of Echo, which is the leader provider of hydrogen water products. And he's the global expert on hydrogen water. So he's been in the health and wellness industry for two decades. So extremely excited to have Dr. Paul Baratero on the podcast today. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08

Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be with you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11

And you reside in Utah with your family. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00: 1:15

Yes, we're in uh Utah and love it. We moved here from Orlando, Florida in 2018. So we love four seasons. We love mountains. Pretty awesome. The air quality is amazing here, you know. Just good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32

Are you guys skiers?

SPEAKER_00: 1:33

Since I moved here, I started skiing and I've I've kind of fallen in love with skiing. I like it a lot. I'm not crazy though. I don't go down like black diamonds. I just like going down the hill and having all my parts and pieces when I get down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47

That's kind of how I like to ski as well. I don't have anything to prove anymore.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53

So, Dr. Paul, yeah. Once again, I'm just so excited to have you. I know you've been on, you've talked to Gary Breca, who is huge in the anti-aging and wellness industry. And I'm a big fan of Gary Brecca. Just talk to us first about what brought you to the hydrogen water phenomenon.

SPEAKER_00: 2:15

Sure. So I started it 20 years ago. So really, my wife and I were married 10 years. We've been married 31 years now, almost 32 in February. But she was really sick. So in her in the first 10 years of our marriage, she was really sick with thyroid issues, gynecological issues, anemia, short-term memory issue. Just she was getting worse and worse and worse, and it was not good. Here I was married 10 years. I didn't want to be a widow. And so I was like, I gotta figure something out. I got to find out what the heck's going on. So, long story short, echo water is the result of healing my wife. And so that's why I'm so passionate about it, because it wasn't like I woke up one day and said, Oh, I want to have a water company or I want to have a hydrogen water company. That never happened. I woke up and wanted to help my wife and accidentally stumbled across hydrogen. And then when I did a year and a half of research, what I call a deep dive, I was like, holy cow, people need to know about this. And so I started lecturing and talking about it back in 2008, 2009, and really got serious about it in 2009 because there were so many things I was seeing with people with diabetes, people with different issues. And so, yeah, that's kind of started. And I started developing the first machine in 2009, and by 2011, we were shipping the first machine that was really focused on hydrogen water.

SPEAKER_01: 3:49

Wow. So tell us a little bit more about accidentally stumbling across this.

SPEAKER_00: 3:55

Absolutely. So we had some dear friends that lived in our city where we lived in Kissimmee, Florida. Anyone that's gone to Disney World knows where that is. So we had some friends from church that were after 9-11, their business was in trouble because people weren't flying and coming to Disney. And they had an organic food store in Kissimmee, Florida. And so they were in big, big trouble because people weren't coming to Disney, so people weren't buying food, and half their business was people going to Disney buying organic food for their condos. So they came to me for financial help and I gave it to them. And after a year or so of them not being able to pay it back yet, I forgave the interest and just said, just pay me back the principal, you know, as you can. And they ended up paying the principal back. And as a thank you, they took my wife and I on a cruise out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. It was a nine-day cruise. Well, the first day of that cruise was my wife's menstrual cycle, the first day of her menstrual cycle. And typically in that at that time in our marriage, she would be almost bedbound for seven days during her menstrual cycle. She would lose 30 to 40 ounces of blood during the cycle. She was highly anemic, just so painful because she had adenomyosis. And so it was bad, right? And we didn't choose the dates of the cruise. So we, of course, didn't think about that. We they chose it. And so here we were getting on that ship the first day of our cycle. She went straight to the cabin, straight to bed. Well, funny enough, our friends brought a little suitcase of gallon water jugs with them for us and one for them. And they're like, Here, we're bringing you water. And I thought that was the strangest thing I ever heard in my life. Like, I don't know why anyone will bring water on a cruise, right? So that's where I was at at that time. And I was like, Why the heck did you bring water? And they're like, Oh, you don't want to drink the water on the ship. And I said, Look, I drink the water every other cruise I've been on. And they're like, Oh no, this is better, and blah, blah. And I said, Okay, what is it? And they're like, Well, we don't know, but that's what saved our company, and that's how we were able to pay you back. And I said, What do you mean? And they said, We were selling this water by the gallon in our organic food store, and we're selling like 200 gallons a day. People are coming in buying it by the gallon, paying us$2 a gallon, and that's what saved our company. And I'm like, Okay, so there must be something to this, but what is it? Can you tell me? And they're like, No, we don't really understand what the deal is. However, we brought some for you. We think it'll help Jacqueline feel better, and so here you go. Well, it did help my wife feel better. She got thirsty the first day. I didn't want to just sit there, but I didn't want to be a jerk either, right? And so I would go to art auctions and come back. I would go see something and come back and check on her. And one of those times I came back, she was like, Hey, I'm thirsty. Can I have some of that water? And I'm like, sure, you know, here you go. And I drank some of the water, she drank the water, and I didn't sprout wings and fly, nothing crazy happened. And so I was like, Okay, it's just water. My wife drank the water and she's like, Honey, can I have more? And I'm like, Of course you can have more. And then she said, Can I have more? And I said, Honey, that's that's a good bit of water. How much she goes, Yeah, I can't stop drinking it. My body is craving this water, and I'm like, Okay, I'll drink the toilet water. I was joking, of course. I'll drink the toilet water, you drink the whatever. So here we were a day and a half later, she was up and around on that cruise, and I was like, Whoa! So I'm asking my friends at breakfast, we're having loxam bagels, and I'm like, What's up with this water? Jacqueline's feeling great, and and I can't believe it. I thought she was gonna miss most of the cruise. She's like, Yeah, we figured it would help her. That's why we brought it. And they start telling us all these stories of all these people that have these amazing events, and I'm like, I appreciate all that. What is the mechanism? What is it in the water that is supposed to be helping people? And they're like, We don't know. And I said, What did the guy tell you when he sold you this machine? He goes, Well, he told us a bunch of stuff, but nothing about how it worked or what it was, it was just all these miracle stories. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, you're scaring me. So, long story short, we just drank the water, didn't worry about it anymore, and went home. We're home now, six months. My wife's menstrual cycle is normal. It doesn't matter when she's on it, when she's not on it. And I'm like, What in the world? And she goes, Yeah, I'm going back and buying the water now. I'm one of those people that's going to that store buying the water. And I'm like, Are you serious? And she's like, 100%. I'm serious. And I'm like, okay, well, I need to look into this because this has literally like changed our life. So I started testing the water and there was no hydrogen in the water. But the ORP, what's called oxidation reduction potential of the water, was negative, okay, which means hydrogen was there at some point and wasn't staying in a dissolved state, but it did alter the electrical potential of the water, and that will help someone's gut restore. So that is what happened to my wife. Now, of course, I know I didn't know at the time, but now I could tell you exactly what happened. The electrical potential of the water changed her terrain and her biome of her gut, and her intestinal tract started working correctly. And so all of her pathways, all kinds of antioxidant pathways, everything that was helping her body, hormone regulation, blah, blah, blah, was reactivated. And so she was able to recover fast. And after six months, a lot of things were fixed. Her hemoglobin levels, her hemocrit, all these things were helped. Well, I thought to myself, if hydrogen is the reason why the ORP was changed, what happens if we actually keep hydrogen in the water and have the ORP? That is when her health dramatically improved. And that's what started me on the journey of hydrogen because everyone was talking about alkaline water at that time. You know, this was 2005, right? And so 20 years ago, everyone was all about the alkaline water machines and whatever. And I didn't accept and still don't accept that the pH of the water has anything to do with medical benefits. In fact, it can harm people if they drink water with higher pH. But if there's hydrogen in the water, regardless of the pH, it's highly beneficial to the body. And so that's the accidental how I became aware. And I started seeing research going back to the 1800s. I started seeing research in 1930 to 1950, and then in Japan, and I was all about it, let me tell you. I was very passionate and still am.

SPEAKER_01: 10:44

I think that's an incredible story. So, how long does hydrogen stay in the water?

SPEAKER_00: 10:51

Great question. If you have it under pressure, like in our echo flask that we have, if you keep it in the flask under pressure, it'll stay a very long time as long as it's under pressure. If we were to transfer it into a glass, or we also have machines, and if you were to put it directly into a glass, you have two hours to drink it before you're gonna lose hydrogen gas. So there's no worry about having to drink something fast. I've heard people say crazy nutso things like you have 15 seconds, 30 seconds, two minutes. I mean, this is crazy town. If that was true for hydrogen, it would be true for carbon dioxide in a soda. I mean, you just people have to be thinking, like, I don't want to say that like in a rude way, but seriously, you have to think about yes, hydrogen is far smaller than carbon dioxide, but nothing, no gas is gonna go out completely in 15 seconds, 30 seconds. Like this would be crazy, right?

SPEAKER_01: 11:50

Yeah, two hours is plenty of time.

SPEAKER_00: 11:53

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you can't drink 16 ounces in two hours, we have coaching courses for you to be able to drink water better, you know. I don't know. Yeah, but anyways, no one needs to worry about that. In our flask, these are 12 ounces, right? This is 12 ounces of water, and you should easily be able to drink that in two minutes, let alone two hours.

SPEAKER_01: 12:17

Right, right. I have that flask. Cool. I did want to mention the first time I drank, the company recommends you start with a flask a day, correct?

SPEAKER_00: 12:28

Is that yes, but most people are fine drinking as much as they want the flask, but yes, you can start on that. I like people within the at least in the first two days, three days, get to three to six of the flasks per day.

SPEAKER_01: 12:41

Okay. But my experience was this, and I checked with Dr. Paul before we started the podcast. I said, Dr. Paul, I drank a flask right before bed, and I took melatonin and my progesterone, and I laid down thinking I was going to just fall into this blissful sleep. And my mind went to work. I was laying there just solving all these problems, and I wouldn't get sleepy. And so I had to ask Dr. Paul if that was a reasonable side effect the first time. And of course, you said absolutely that and tell us why.

SPEAKER_00: 13:20

So if the concentration of hydrogen is over one part per million, which it definitely is in the flask, you're like six parts per million, you will feel an increase in energy. You will feel mitochondrial function activation, and that's good for healing and that's good for sleep. But if you're not used to effective mitochondrial function, trust me, your body's gonna be like, Woo-hoo, yeah, ready. Let's let's solve some problems. And so it you're gonna be thinking about all kinds of things. Now that will balance out once your body's used to having that energy on the time, it won't be so novel and it won't be like, yay, it'll be like that's normal, and let's go to sleep. Because I drink the water before we go to bed and I'm asleep in 30 seconds. But the reality is for people trying it the first time, it can boost your energy for sure. That's one thing people love about it in the morning. Uh-huh. People that usually drink coffee to get up and going are saying to us, this isn't a guarantee or a claim, it's just what people say is that it does more for them than coffee and longer. So they have more sustainable energy in the mornings versus coffee. And there was actually a study done on sleep-deprived individuals, hydrogen water versus coffee. And hydrogen water did beat coffee out by 10%. And there was no 20-minute dump afterwards, it had a more sustained energy. So it is a known thing, but I don't want anyone to think they're going to be the energizer bunny bouncing around. It's just going to give you energy if you need it, if you have lower mitochondrial function or other things, it's going to improve that.

SPEAKER_01: 15:00

That was incredible. That was a very cool experience. And after talk to Dee about why, that made sense. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about why it works for an anti-inflammatory.

SPEAKER_00: 15:12

Yeah. So we have pathways without getting into deep science, but we have a lot of pathways, nerf one, nerf two pathways that are antioxidant pathways. We also have regulatory systems in our body for oxidation. And so let's first talk about oxidation versus oxidative stress. Oxidation is normal and natural, and we need that for life. We need to have oxidation and we need to have reduction. Two powers in the body, oxidation and reduction. You have oxygen and hydrogen, right? Even with water. And oxygen is an oxidizer, hydrogen is a reducer. So you have oxidation and reduction. And and these two opposing forces is what allows us to function really and truly. Now, if we have too much reduction, we have problems. If we have too much oxidation, we have problems. We really need to have homeostasis to where we are balanced. And so if oxidation rises and rises and rises because we don't have our gut functioning properly to regulate radicals that are coming in, oxygen radicals, particularly, if we don't have our antioxidant systems able to neutralize or modulate radicals, then oxidation will rise and rise and rise until we end up with what we call oxidative stress. Oxidative stress is where we start to have cellular damage and things not functioning the way they're supposed to. And that is the problem. So when we look at what is the problem of health in 2025 and in the world, it is the combination of oxidative stress and chronic inflammation. Inflammation is deployed by the body to help when we have oxidative stress. The problem is if we don't remove the burden that's causing oxidative stress, then inflammation will become chronic inflammation. And the combination of chronic inflammation and oxidative stress, those two things create disease in the body. So normally hydrogen would be keeping oxidative stress from occurring. It would keep oxidation down in a normal level. And therefore, we wouldn't need inflammation to help. And so we would not have chronic inflammation and oxidative stress any longer because normally we'd produce hydrogen in our gut, in the colon, when we fermented foods, and all of these systems would work correctly. The problem is when someone has gut dysfunction, they no longer can produce hydrogen gas the way they're supposed to. We do call that flatulence, by the way. I think we all know about that. So we'll now you can call it fart therapy. Right. You know, hydrogen's good for you. But the reality is if we have a gut that's not working correctly, we won't produce hydrogen the right way. And so we will have oxidative stress occur, and then we'll have inflammation, and then we'll have disease. So by putting hydrogen back into the body like it's supposed to be, we're going to regulate all the radicals, like hydroxyl radicals that are in the mitochondrial respiratory chain. These hydroxyl radicals are the most cell-damaging or what we call cytotoxic oxygen radicals, and they will stop mitochondrial function. They will stop a number of things. And so hydrogen normally would prevent hydroxyl radicals from forming in mass. But because we don't have hydrogen, we don't have energy. And then people are sugar and carbloading with sport drinks and other things, and we create more oxygen radicals as we consume the sugar and create energy. So it becomes a vicious cycle. So throwing hydrogen in there will stop all of that to where we can repair our gut within two weeks and have, you know, no more gluten and dairy issues. We won't have as much sugar and carb cravings. We'll want fat and fiber because as we build the gut back up, the bacteria is really what we're building up. And what we want is anaerobic microflora, which can process fiber and fat. So it's really a process that happens with what the water is doing. It's not like a simple really answer. It's the fact that hydrogen should be there in the first place. We're giving you back a tool that your body needs to function properly. And when that is present, all these wonderful things start happening. And one of them is a biome and terrain change in the intestinal tract so that we have the proper bacteria. The problem really is if you have gut damage, you will have too much aerobic bacteria. And those aerobes want carbs and sugar. That's what they eat. Okay. So don't feel bad about your cravings because it's your bacteria and your gut, it's not your fault, right? So blame it on your bacteria and your gut. But the result of having too much aerobic is carb and sugar craving and anxiety and depression. If we change the terrain from an electrical potential, and that's how we do it, that's what hydrogen does. Hydrogen changes the epithelial tissues in the intestinal tract to a negative 300 millivolts to a negative 400 instead of a positive 300 to 400 millivolts of electrical potential. And now that negative electrical potential is the terrain in the biome for anaerobic microflora. And now you've given those good bacteria or beneficial bacteria a home again and an environment that they like, they will start creating communities. And that's what gut repair is. It really is giving the environment for the right bacteria to live again. It's not, you know, eating a certain berry on a mountaintop on Wednesday, standing on your head. I know that's what people tell you, but it's really just changing the biome and the terrain. And that biome and terrain is electrical, it's an electrical potential. And those bacteria need strict anaerobes need a negative 300 to a negative 400 millivolts of electrical potential, and then they will create communities. And then your food cravings will be fat and fiber instead of carbs and sugar, because we should really only have one to four percent of the bacteria in our gut being aerobic, and 96 to 99% should be anaerobic. But when we use antibiotics or overuse antibiotics, we can reverse that. We can create a positive electrical potential, and then that's perfect for aerobic, and that's not the bacteria we want. Does that make sense or is that too confusing?

SPEAKER_01: 22:05

Oh no, I've I'm just enthralled because we do a lot of GI map testing here in the clinic. And I think putting everyone on echo water is going to be a no-brainer from here on. Yes, no, that was a fantastic explanation. Thank you. And so we talk about enhanced athletic performance, improved metabolic function. Do you want to address anything specific to either of those?

SPEAKER_00: 22:35

Yeah. So metabolic function definitely will improve with hydrogen, but it will also improve with just being properly hydrated. So it's almost a linear relationship. If you are properly hydrated, you're going to have more meta a higher metabolic rate. In other words, you're going to have more energy. A lot of people that get tired or sluggish, it's just they're dehydrated and they don't even know. They think they're hungry. They think they're tired. It's just you don't drink enough water. And so the last study I saw from Harvard was 54.5% of the population. They did 4,000 individuals, and 54.5% were chronically dehydrated. I mean, that's just reality. Even though we're drinking a bunch of drinks and stuff, we're dehydrated because we're not drinking water that our body can take in. And so that's something we need to do better at. But metabolic rate will increase. Also, fatigue will be lowered. And our recovery times for athletes, that's a big deal for athletes, recovery times and fatigue levels. So there's been multiple studies on elite athletes showing that if you drink hydrogen water a half an hour before a game or exercise or whatever, you won't have lactate buildup in the muscle. So you're not going to fatigue at normal rate. You're going to be able to go multiple times longer before your body runs out of energy because you'll be able to produce ATP in the mitochondria properly and have the energy you need. And so this is why we have athletes, the UFC has our water machine, the Raiders, the 49ers, the top eight players in the 49ers, the Dodgers, these different teams. Ronaldo, the soccer player, right? Djokovic, these individuals have been drinking our water for a long time. And they say that they do that because they don't fatigue at the rate they used to or normally would. And so that's a big deal for people. But that's also good for someone who's older and can't quite run a mile anymore. There's a lot of people in that category that you just can't quite run a mile anymore. And you used to run miles per day, but now you're trying to get a mile, drink echo water, and you'll be able to walk or run a mile that you aren't able to do now because it will improve the function of your body.

SPEAKER_01: 24:56

That's incredible. And I hope anyone listening that is an athlete or has an athlete in their family would really suggest echo water or it'd be a great Christmas present. I think every team, every sports team ought to have it in their locker room for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 25:12

Well, every parent who has a child that is trying to get better and either going to the Olympics or going to the NFL or the NBA or any of these kind of things, Echo Water is your edge to edge out. I mean, your child is going after something that only 1% will get to. If you're trying with the NFL, like if you think about how many kids are trying to play football at a high school, middle school level, and then college, and then you're trying to go in the NFL, it is such a small percentage. And yet Tom Brady endorses Echo Water. He loves Echo Water, he uses Echo Water, and so do many other NFL players and teams. And so there's a reason why they do because they see a difference in their performance and the function of their body. So get your kids an edge. Everyone's looking for an edge, but that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01: 26:07

That's a great one because our bodies are what 98% water or something.

SPEAKER_00: 26:12

So crazy. I would say 60 to 75%.

SPEAKER_01: 26:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 26:16

That's quite awful. Well, our blood is 93%.

SPEAKER_01: 26:20

There, okay, maybe that's what I was thinking. Yeah. Let's talk about the neuroprotective effects that protects against Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_00: 26:29

Yeah, so there are 22 studies on Parkinson's. There's studies on Alzheimer's as well. Though hydrogen has a very neuroprotective effect. So echo water being the best hydrogen products in the world or you know, devices in the world, are gonna have that effect because they're delivering hydrogen to your body. And so hydrogen itself doesn't go to the brain and make the effect. So we don't have what's called striatial hydrogen, but we do have ghrelin secretions. And really where the neuroprotective effects are coming from is ghrelin, g-r-e-l-in- it's a master hormone, leptin and ghrelin, right? So some people call it the hunger hormone, but you're not going to get more hungry. It's just ghrelin is released when you are hungry. And I think there's something in our makeup where when we get hungry, back when we were hunter-gatherers, when we got hungry, our brain got sharper and we could go find food, right? I don't know. It's a crazy story, but I'm sticking with it. But yeah, yeah, the reality is our brains do get sharper. I don't know if you've ever done fasting, but you should be not sharp, but you have sharpness. And I think it's because of gorillin secretions going into the hippocampus, the hypothalamus, and brainstem, which by the way will happen within minutes of drinking echo water. You can do an EEG, you're gonna see a plasticity change. Uh, you know, we're like 30%, 32%. You're gonna see normalization of alpha and beta waves, 58% is what we see typically. But that's minutes after drinking like 16 ounces of echo water, you will see significant changes if you do an EEG. I do own a 21-channel brain master system, and I'm telling you, you can if you do brain mapping, you can see significant changes in someone without anything else they have to do, just drinking echo water.

SPEAKER_01: 28:26

So for anybody that has Alzheimer's, a history of Alzheimer's in your family, certainly you would you yourself would want to start drinking hydrogenated water. What about family members that maybe already have, let's say, stage two Alzheimer's or late stage? What would you expect to see with hydrogen water?

SPEAKER_00: 28:47

If they drink echo water because of the hydrogen gas, and I say it that way because don't get scammed. 99% of the bottles on the market that are cheap bottles aren't actually producing hydrogen. They're producing chlorine, and you can test that with a simple reagent like this. This is a chlorine reagent, and I test water in front of people all the time, and there's chlorine in it. They're like, Where'd it come from? And I'm like, Your bottle made chlorine. But yours does. So I say echo water because I want to make sure none of my competitors take our podcast and chop up what I say and sure sell their products because that happens every day. They take my videos and use it for their own junky bottles. But the reality is when hydrogen hits the stomach, you will signal groin to the hippocampus, hypothalaps, and brainstem. That's going to increase cognitive function. It's going to increase coordination. People that have tremors, it's going to lower or stop those tremors within 10 or 15 minutes. That's what's going to be happening in the brain. And even in the Parkinson studies, uh, it's stated disease modifying effects. So, people that already had Parkinson's, it modified their disease because of ghrelin secretions. And that's what we need to understand whether it's ADHD or ADD or Alzheimer's or bipolar schizophrenia, any of these kind of things that are neurorelated, you're lacking ghrelin secretions. Ghrelin is only produced in the intestinal tract or the stomach. So by drinking echo water, as soon as the hydrogen content is in contact with the stomach, it's going to stimulate ghrelin to go to the brain, and you're going to have increased cognitive function. Some really cool experiences I've had, people that would buy our systems for a spouse who had Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or what have you. I had a husband call one time and he said, I'd like to talk to Dr. Paul. This is probably seven years ago, eight years ago now. This guy, I said, sure. I'll have you talk to him. So he goes, you know, I bought your water system because I heard you talking about it. And my wife drank some water, and within a few minutes, the timer on the oven was going off. And she went over there and turned off the timer and came over to me and asked what she should do next. He said, It had been years since she was able to do something like that. Do you think there's a relation? And I said, Of course there's a relation. That's what is going to happen with the hydrogen water. So I'm not saying the Parkinson's going to go away. I'm going to say there's disease modifying effects. And it can be small, it can be very large. And so the thing I can promise you, it's not going to harm your loved one. It's only going to help them. To what degree, we don't know. But there are 22 studies on Parkinson's alone showing disease modifying effects. And so I would highly recommend if it was me and my love of my life, my queen, who I am completely in love with. Sure. Anything like this, I would be getting her echo water, like you wouldn't believe. And of course, I created echo water to help my wife. So you know, if I was just a consumer, I would be buying a bottle to get it for my wife. But there is benefits for neuroprotective. So people that don't have neural related issues, just start drinking the water now so that you don't get them later. That's what I would recommend.

SPEAKER_01: 32:23

And I I've combed your website, which by the way is echowater.com. We'll mention that several more times. But you have studies littered all over the website. And so it's very easy to go see the efficacy of everything Dr. Paul's saying.

SPEAKER_00: 32:42

Yeah, and I would say we created a whole site, hydrogenstudies.com. That's where they would want to go to see the studies. EchoWater.com is where you're going to see the products. Go to hydrogen studies with an S.com and do research. You can type in any disease model, any organ in the body, conditions, pathways. You know, if you want to look at Nerf 1, Nerf 2 pathways, you want to look at testosterone, you want to look at anything that we're talking about from nitric oxide to peptides, naturally occurring peptides, type it in. And the studies will come up in relation to that. There are thousands of studies on there, and you can parse the data. If you're a medical professional, you can parse them based on subject, country, outcome, whatever you want. Or if you're just like me and you're like, uh, cancer. 123 studies. Okay, I'm going to start looking at some of those to see if it has the type of cancer I have. I don't have cancer, by the way. I that was hypothetical. But the reality is if you want to do research on diabetes, type in diabetes and do research. And so there's like 77 studies on diabetes. So just understand that that you will most likely find the condition that you or your loved one is suffering from. And hydrogen water will help. Echo water will help because of the hydrogen gas in it.

SPEAKER_01: 34:05

So let's this is a hormone heroes podcast, and a lot of listeners come to us to think about hormones and learn some things about hormones post-menopausal, perimenopausal, andropause for men. Tell us a little bit, talk to us about the benefits of echo water if you're going through some of those phases of life.

SPEAKER_00: 34:26

Yeah. So, first of all, stress hormones are affected by hydrogen because hydrogen is going to reduce oxidative stress. And therefore, cortisol, ACTH, APA axis are all affected. And because hydrogen is reducing oxidative stress, you're going to have less cortisol being produced, right? You're not going to have this cortisol drip that so many people are on. The pituitary gland is going to be affected. The hypothalamic pituitary gland is going to be affected. So just overall, your stress is going to reduce. And so the hormones will be positively affected because stress is horrible for us. It'll kill us. And having stress is worse than eating sugar. Please understand that. So in relationships, marriage, dating, what manage stress in the relationship. It will kill both of you and destroy all the good that's in there. So whether it's fatigue, anxiety, sleep quality, all these kinds of things are improved by hydrogen. Here's a fun one. Let's talk about sex. Let's talk about sex, baby. Right? You know that's all right. Um, estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone are all affected and regulated by hydrogen. So hydrogen's ability to reduce lipid peroxidation is really important if people understand what that means. And so that supports healthier estrogen and progesterone in the body. Also, there are animal studies, and these are mouse studies, which are kind of funny because mouse seem to be able to reproduce wonderfully, anyways. But this is a mouse study where they showed it improved ovarian reserve and it reduced follicular cell apoptosis. So, I mean, these are good things, right? It also can stabilize estrogen levels, and I'm not saying you'll never need to take estrogen, but it will stabilize your levels. And my wife is currently in menopause for a long time now, and you know, she has a great experience in menopause. It doesn't have to be horrible, right? Right, right. So the next thing I would I would talk about is mitochondrial function. So again, as I mentioned earlier, when you talk about sex, if you have no energy, sex is probably not the thing on your mind to be doing. And your partner might love you having more energy when it comes to sexual relations. And I'm not saying that's the only thing in life, but it is enjoyable. And it can help a relationship be more healthy. But I would say more mitochondrial function can help steroid what's called steroidogenesis. And so just think about these kind of things. Understand that uh cholesterol converts into estrogen and progesterone. And, you know, there's there's a lot of things that are managed. Cholesterol is managed by hydrogen in the body. When we talk about thyroid T3, T4, TSH, when we talk about these things as well, the balance is changed when the mitochondrial function is changed. So again, hydrogen, there's that relationship with those things. We also have glucose changes. So people that eat a lot of sugar or are pre-diabetic or diabetic, the lipid and glucose metabolism with hydrogen is improved. So you can manage a lot of sugar issues with hydrogen. Those that are wanting to lose fat, for example, and it's tough during menopause, and as you get older, hydrogen acts, or let me say it this way: drinking hydrogen water or echo water with hydrogen gas in it acts as a calorie restriction diet. That's the result in the body. And so, what's easier? Restricting calories or drinking echo water? Like I think echo water wins, right? So, right, you know, just know that these are the things that you can be focused on is drinking water and letting your body do what it was designed to do. A couple things, PCOS is also benefited by hydrogen when we talk about insulin and metabolic hormones in general, which is a big deal right now. Yes, hydrogen can increase insulin sensitivity. That's really important for a lot of different pathways in the body and reducing oxidative stress and pancreatic issues that we're talking about. Melatonin and circadium rhythm. You talked about that early, Dr. Kelly. Hydrogen modulates the pineal gland. And well, from an oxidative perspective, right? And so it will produce melatonin synthesis, and so it will increase better circadian rhythms. And so you might not want to drink it right before going to bed, but drink it an hour or two before going to bed or a half an hour before going to bed, and then just when it's time to go to bed, your sleep should be improved. So I would say that you should have better sleep cycles, antioxidant protection during sleep. So these are the things, and it's not like you're gonna fall into some deep sleep, like what's that sleeping beauty? But you're gonna have potentially better dreams, more vivid dreams, more deep, what's called restorative or restoration in your sleep. So understand that you're not gonna be in a coma, but you can have better restorative sleep, and that's what you want to be doing. And some people say they have, oh, I haven't slept like that in 10 years. That's what I used to hear a lot from a dream perspective. I'm not a person that dreams all the time. When I dream, it's because somebody's wanting to tell me something.

SPEAKER_01: 40:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 40:11

I think it's God, but that's me personally. I have had dreams in my life, and typically it's when I'm studying something or I'm looking for information that's beyond me, and I get help. And so that's wonderful. But I'm not one of these people like my wife, on the other hand, every day she dreams, every night she dreams, and sometimes they're crazy dreams. But and she tells me about them, I'm like, What in the heck are you dreaming about, my love? But you know, we've been married 31 years, she makes certain noises in her sleep, and I can tell when she's in a crazy dream, and I'll just reach over and grab her hand and hold it for a minute, or I'll rub her arm once or twice, and I'll just kind of hear she's like, Oh, you know, or something like that. And then it kind of resets that dream most of the time. And so I'm like, Yes, okay, you know, yeah. You know, she's saving the world in her dreams and and and dealing with crazy stuff, and so it's the way her mind works, and that's fine.

SPEAKER_01: 41:05

Sure, you know, I mean it's a good sign of deep REM sleep, so that's that's great. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about your products. Okay, the echo flask is the gateway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 41:20

The gateway drug, the gateway drug. It does this right here. Yes. So on the side is a touch screen, and you can see here that the timer is going, right? So the the unit is processing, and you can kind of see there. You can see the bubbles, yeah. There are tons and tons and tons of bubbles, and in our products, the bubbles right here are only hydrogen gas. In the other products on the market, they're chlorine gas, they're oxygen, they're hydrogen, who knows what you're getting. The reality is you don't want all those other things, but that's what the cheap bottles do is they produce very little hydrogen, and they'll produce chlorine and ozone and other stuff that you really shouldn't be drinking. And so in this bottle, we have a proprietary proton exchange membrane, and this filters out the chlorine, ozone, oxygen, and sends it right here. Can you see that blue light? Yes, that's right there where the oxygen, the ozone, and the chlorine come out of the bottle.

SPEAKER_01: 42:32

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 42:33

Yeah, so just hydrogen.

SPEAKER_01: 42:36

And it's extremely easy to use. You just plug it in.

SPEAKER_00: 42:39

There is an app, and you can change. See how there's color lights inside here? You have 14 different choices of color of lights, and you go in through the app and change it. I highly recommend people connecting the app because when we do firmware updates, it is beneficial to the bottle. So when we launched this bottle over a year ago, we had four cycles, four 10-minute cycles you could do. Now we can do six to seven because we increased or improved the efficiency of the function. Well, even if someone bought a flask in January of this year, for example, they can get a firmware update and it will function like a brand new one. Wow. Very cool. And so one of the things I like about it is you can see on the screen, kind of like an Apple Watch has the little rings right there.

SPEAKER_01: 43:35

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 43:36

And when you click on that, you can see all your goals. Are you meeting your hydrogen goal? Are you meeting your water intake goals? Are you meeting your exercise goals? All that can be put into the app and it will monitor it for you. And just like on an Apple Watch, where I have rings on my watch right there, right? Uh-huh. You know, you can see how you're doing with your exercise and movement and all those the rings. It's the same principle where it'll show you right on the screen of the flask how you're doing in accomplishing your goals for the day.

SPEAKER_01: 44:16

That's so cool. And it's wonderfully priced. Yeah. And it's it would make a great Christmas present uh with that season coming up. But you have, and then it goes on from there. There's a pitcher, a water pitcher where you could you know do more than 12 ounces at a time. How many ounces can you do with the pitcher?

SPEAKER_00: 44:36

Is it's 57.

SPEAKER_01: 44:38

57.

SPEAKER_00: 44:39

So this is 12.

SPEAKER_01: 44:40

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 44:41

And the pitcher is like five times that. Okay. Where's that applicable? You know, if you have two or three kids, four kids in the morning, and I only say that because I was talking to someone yesterday that has four kids, and they're like, I have one of these. It's now a 40-minute morning water schedule. And I'm like, Yeah, that's not gonna work. Get the flask or get one of our machines because we have an undersync system that'll make a quarter gallon a minute of the water. And trust me, you just put a glass under it, turn it on, next thing you know, you got water, and so it's seconds to fill up a glass. That's a better program when you're in the morning for school because it's already a challenge enough to get kids to already eat.

SPEAKER_01: 45:22

Yes, yes. And I just want to mention again, once again, the website is echowater.com, ec o w at r dot com. What else should we know about? Is there anything else on the website you want to point out?

SPEAKER_00: 45:36

Well, it's safe for everyone. We have whole house filtration. We have the highest, most robust whole house filtration in the industry. So we have whole house, we have just drinking water systems, you know, that are$2,500 on sale right now. We have countertop systems, we have undersink systems, we have inhalation units, we have bath units where you can take a bath. And all these studies on fat loss are like when you take a bath every day in hydrogen water, if you have psoriasis and eczema, that heals. If you have splotchy skin, that changes. If you have, like I said, psoriasis or other serious skin issues, that goes away in 30 days. Also, adipose tissue, fat reduction, that's gonna happen because of the hydrogen absorbing in the skin. So we actually have a hydrogen bath unit that is absolutely incredible. We use it, my wife and I use it, and so it's great. But hydrogen water, echo water is safe for all ages, all demographics, anyone in the world, old, young, it doesn't matter. Even if someone is on chemotherapy for cancer, hydrogen is a selective antioxidant, it will not negatively affect any modality, including chemotherapy for cancer. It is not an electron donor like typical antioxidants. So you don't have any problem with it negating the effects of other medical modalities. So you can, and we have of the 123 cancer studies on hydrogenstudies.com, many of them are with chemotherapy and hydrogen water together, and it showed 100% cancer cell death when you combine the chemotherapy and the hydrogen water because the hydrogen benefits apoptosis, it'll restart apoptosis, so these cancer cells are destroying themselves. So I'm just reporting on the studies. I'm not making uh claims on anything, I'm just telling you what the studies say so that you can go and get the best edge that you can. But Hope for Cancer has our water machines in them in Mexico, Dr. Learn Keneally with Cancer Revolution in Irvine, California, who's probably the largest or second largest cancer treatment center in the United States of America, has our system and has for seven years, eight years. So it's not like I'm making this stuff up. All the people that are the smartest in natural cancer are using our water. And the people in not natural cancer should be using our water, in addition. Now, Dr. Keneely, who's in Irvine, half of her practice is traditional chemotherapy cancer. The other half is natural. So she's not just natural, she's both. And at any given day, there's probably a hundred patients there. It's it's pretty significant a facility, and she's an amazing woman. And so I would just say that there are tremendous benefits with all disease models utilizing hydrogen.

SPEAKER_01: 48:37

Wow. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Paul. This has been a very educational podcast, and I really do hope that people will reach out to your website. Is there a phone number you'd like to share or just mostly the website?

SPEAKER_00: 48:51

Yeah, no, I'm I'm happy to share the phone number 855-737-1114. So eight five five seven three seven one one four. You can also send emails to inbound sales at echoater.com or support at echowater.com. Those are two emails that you can use. And of course, we're on TikTok, uh, Instagram, Facebook, all those things.

SPEAKER_01: 49:23

All the things, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 49:25

All the dang social media things.

SPEAKER_01: 49:27

Yes. Well, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you sharing your message.

SPEAKER_00: 49:32

Yeah, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01: 49:34

Uh-huh. And we'll get you back on for a red light therapy.

SPEAKER_00: 49:37

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_01: 49:38

Okay. All right. Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_00: 49:44

Dependable block.

SPEAKER_01: 49:46

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